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New Bounds for the Ideal Proof System in Positive Characteristic.

  • Amik Raj Behera
    ,
  • ,
  • Varun Ramanathan
    ,
  • Srikanth Srinivasan
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Research Output:
Conference Article in Proceeding or Book/Report chapter
Article in proceedings
Peer-review

Original language

English

Pages from-to (Number of pages)

Pages 1-20 (20 pages)

Publication milestones

  • Published - 30/06/2025

Publication status

Published - 30/06/2025

Publisher

Schloss Dagstuhl - Leibniz-Zentrum fuer Informatik GmbH

Book series

  • Book series name: Leibniz International Proceedings in Informatics (LIPIcs)
    Volume: 334
    ISSN: 1868-8969
9783959773720

Publication IDs

  • Scopus: 105009871838

Host publication title

International Colloquium on Automata, Languages, and Programming

Abstract

In this work, we prove upper and lower bounds over fields of positive characteristics for several fragments of the Ideal Proof System (IPS), an algebraic proof system introduced by Grochow and Pitassi (J. ACM 2018). Our results extend the works of Forbes, Shpilka, Tzameret, and Wigderson (Theory of Computing 2021) and also of Govindasamy, Hakoniemi, and Tzameret (FOCS 2022). These works primarily focused on proof systems over fields of characteristic 0, and we are able to extend these results to positive characteristic. The question of proving general IPS lower bounds over positive characteristic is motivated by the important question of proving AC0[p]-Frege lower bounds. This connection was observed by Grochow and Pitassi (J. ACM 2018). Additional motivation comes from recent developments in algebraic complexity theory due to Forbes (CCC 2024) who showed how to extend previous lower bounds over characteristic 0 to positive characteristic. In our work, we adapt the functional lower bound method of Forbes et al. (Theory of Computing 2021) to prove exponential-size lower bounds for various subsystems of IPS. In order to establish these size lower bounds, we first prove a tight degree lower bound for a variant of Subset Sum over positive characteristic. This forms the core of all our lower bounds. Additionally, we derive upper bounds for the instances presented above. We show that they have efficient constant-depth IPS refutations. This demonstrates that constant-depth IPS refutations are stronger than the proof systems considered above even in positive characteristic. We also show that constant-depth IPS can efficiently refute a general class of instances, namely all symmetric instances, thereby further uncovering the strength of these algebraic proofs in positive characteristic.

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Title

EATCS International Colloquium on Automata, Languages, and Programming

Event type

Conference

Degree of recognition

International event

Date

08/07/2025 - 11/07/2025

Location

DenmarkAarhusDenmark